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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/1/2001 5:59 pm  
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Eight Mormon Myths From Bill McKeevers 
www.mrm.org/ 
MYTH #1: The Mormon Church is the fastest growing religion in the world. The shear number of adherents to Catholicism and Islam make them far and away the fastest growing religions in the world by birthrate alone. 

MYTH #2: The LDS Church doesn't have a paid ministry. All General Authorities serving the LDS Church in Salt Lake City are offered a living allowance for their full-time service. While it is true that those who minister in the LDS Church on a local level (such as the bishop) are not remunerated, Doctrine and Covenants 42:71-73 says they should be. According to D&C 75:24 the LDS Church is also supposed to support the families of those who have been called on a mission. This it does not do. 

MYTH #3: Reading the Book of Mormon will tell you all about Mormon doctrine. The Book of Mormon fails to teach the unique doctrine Latter-day Saints feel is necessary to believe and practice in order to become Gods. 

MYTH #4: All of Joseph Smith's prophecies came to pass. If that was true Jesus would have returned in 1891 (Documentary History of the Church (DHC) 2:182), The Civil War would have poured out upon all nations (D&C 87:1-3), the wicked of Smith's generation would have been "swept from off the face of the land" (DHC 1:315), and a temple would have been built in Independence Missouri by the generation living in 1832 (D&C 84:4,5). 

MYTH #5: Brigham Young never taught Adam was God. Not only did Brigham Young teach that Adam was Michael the Archangel, the Ancient of Days; he also taught that Adam was "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." He finished this message by saying, "Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" (Journal of Discourses 1:50,51). Notice Young called this teaching a "doctrine," not a "theory" as most Mormons like to refer to it today. 

MYTH #6: The Book of Mormon has been proven by archaeology. To date, nothing has been found to verify Book of Mormon sites. In fact, many within the Mormon Church are beginning to abandon the idea that the Book of Mormon is a book of verifiable history. No credible archaeologist outside of the Mormon Church considers the book to have any New World archaeological value. 

MYTH #7: Polygamy was necessary in early Utah because there were more women than men. The fact is, there were more men than women in early Utah when polygamy was being practiced. Mormon Apostle John Widtsoe wrote on pages 390-391 of his book entitled Evidences and Reconciliations, "The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more females than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church... The theory that plural marriage was a consequence of a surplus of female Church members fails from lack of evidence." 

MYTH #8: Joseph Smith died as a "lamb led to the slaughter." The fact is, Joseph Smith died in a gun battle using a pistol that was smuggled to him while incarcerated at Carthage jail. According to The Documentary History of the Church (published six years after the fact), Joseph Smith pulled this six-shooter from his pocket "and snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died" (John Taylor, Volume 7, pp. 102-103). 

For more excellent research and articles dealing with Mormonism visit this web. www.mrm.org/ 







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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/3/2001 8:00 pm  
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  99.2 in reply to 99.1  
 
Some are wondering, Why so much Mormon material is on this forum? 
There are Two Reasons why so much Mormon material is posted on this forum. 

1) To inform Christians and others that Mormonism is a dangerous Cult, and to give them the information to stay away from the mixed up hypocritical works based Cult that Mormonism is. 

2) It is my belief that our very own Bob Blaylock is a class #2 Mormon Myth. If you recall Mormon Myth #2 is that Mormons do not get paid for their service. I am almost positive that Bob is being Paid Big Mormon Dollars to monitor this forum. Why else would he spend so much time and effort here with non-Mormons?? I also suspect that Bob has a crew of html experts assisting him, therefore the Nifty LDS links and references. 

Bob is defiantly overworked and probably underpaid. But I will do my part to keep Bob & crew employed. 





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  From:  M_DAuvergne   7/3/2001 9:20 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 23)  
 
  99.3 in reply to 99.2  
 
Ummmmmm.......David? You, now, are being absolutely paranoid and egotistical. The audacity that someone would pay someone to make a fool of YOU, you venemous, vile being, is beyond me. I can't stand the hatred that the one you love so much told you so long ago to abandon such childish and idiotic things. All you need to do is love, David, and I feel anything but love coming from you. Only vile, intense hatred. 
You are so full of yourself!! 
Quoting the bible when it serves you no purpose, making an illogical ass of yourself ON YOUR OWN BOARD, totally proving yourself wrong over and over again, making outrageous claims, AND THEN HAVING THE NARCICISM TO SAY THAT SOMEONE IS BEING PAID TO DEBUNK YOU!! 

Mr. Baylock is merely defending his religion, which is dear to him. It is his life, just as you hold yours. I don't care what claims that the mormons may make, but you have absolutely no right to make idiot claims, persecuting their faith, and to spread hatred around like the fundamentalist bastard you are. 

You make no sense to me, or to any christian that I know. Jesus taught you to love your neighbor, regardless. You are doing the devil's work. I don't believe in the devil, nor do I believe in god the way you do, but I'm just using words that you would understand. 

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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/3/2001 9:48 pm  
To:  M_DAuvergne   (4 of 23)  
 
  99.4 in reply to 99.3  
 
Coronus D'Auvergne (M_DAUVERGNE) wrote:
Ummmmmm.......David? You, now, are being absolutely paranoid and egotistical. The audacity that someone would pay someone to make a fool of YOU, you venemous, vile being, is beyond me.
  I got quite a good laugh out of David's posting, and your reply.  So did my wife, when I read excerpts of these two postings to her, as did a guest who happens to be here right now.  Defnitely, there is no reason for the Mormon religion, or anyone else, to hire someone to make a fool of David.  He seems quite capable, however limited his other talents might be, of doing this very well by himself.  I am happy, of course, to lend a hand with this effort.



I can't stand the hatred that the one you love so much told you so long ago to abandon such childish and idiotic things. All you need to do is love, David, and I feel anything but love coming from you. Only vile, intense hatred.
  In Matthew 7:20, it is written that By their fruits ye shall know them.  You have wisely seen David's fruits, and by these fruits, you know him.



but you have absolutely no right to make idiot claims, persecuting their faith, and to spread hatred around like the fundamentalist bastard you are.
  Actually, he does.  That's what the First Amendment is about.  He has the right to make a complete, utter ass of himself  to boldy wave his ignorance about like some grand, proud banner  just as we have the right to observe that this is what he is doing.



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/3/2001 9:50 pm  
To:  M_DAuvergne   (5 of 23)  
 
  99.5 in reply to 99.3  
 
Lighten Up!! 
Couldnt you tell that I was Kidding Bob. 

Obviously you havent read the Posts from Bob to me. 

*no, I dont think Bob is Paid Big Mormon Dollars, I dont think he has a crew assisting him with html, nor do I care. 






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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/4/2001 4:01 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 23)  
 
  99.6 in reply to 99.5  
 
yes you did, that's exactly what you thought. 
In fact it's what you still think ...

 
  
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  From:  M_DAuvergne   7/4/2001 6:18 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 23)  
 
  99.7 in reply to 99.5  
 
David, given all your other posts, I think that you just broke character. I don't think that you have any respect for anyone who is not of your faith. Instead you are only a fundamentalist zealot who proudly wears his faith on his sleeves, not in his heart. You have mindlessly attacked the mormons, a peaceful faith that does their own thing, many times in this fourum, but this last one against bob specifically just blew my mind. 
Lighten up?! I think I'm the most easygoing person here!! YOU, david, YOU have forgotten your own teachings! You rant and rave that "mormonism is a cult its not christian!", but all you need to do is send all people love, not drive century-old stereotypes. 

Remember, don't ever judge anyone. You don't know squat about them.

Nique-moi, salopard! 

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  From:  Dr_Shock   7/4/2001 10:30 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 23)  
 
  99.8 in reply to 99.5  
 
Under very extreme circumstances (like me being blitzed out of my mind), I could possibly believe your explanation for this post if it had been to Bob directly. Unfortunately for your credibility's sake, you marked the post as being to "all" which suggests another slanderous action by you against Bob. 
As for the original post saying something to the effect of "this explains all the LDS links in his posts", one could say the same about you and all your Christian links. For all we know, you were paid by Bob Enyart, the 700 Club or even Billy Graham to start this forum.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/4/2001 3:52 pm  
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  99.9 in reply to 99.1  
 
Duh, 
My belief is in Jesus, not that Bob is a Mormon Myth #2. I still think it is funny! 

BTW, since you want to defend Mormonism so much, why dont you ask Bob what he thinks about you, especially the homosexuals. 

Bob being true to his Cultic background is hiding the truth of what he thinks about you. Oh rest assured when he gets into his secret rooms and is behind your back he is talking about each of you. 

You are upset because Christians at least have the Backbone to be Honest with you and to talk in the open with you about our differences. And Unlike the Mormons, the Christians Know that Jesus Loves You!! Exactly as much as He loves us!! And we Christians are Hoping and Praying that you will Acknowledge Jesus. 





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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/4/2001 6:26 pm  
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  99.10 in reply to 99.9  
 
David (DAVIDABROWN) whined:
Bob being true to his Cultic background is hiding the truth of what he thinks about you. Oh rest assured when he gets into his secret rooms and is behind your back he is talking about each of you.
  I think, by now, it should be obvious enough to those who have been reading this forum, which one of the two of us  David or myself  has been open and honest, and which one of us has not.



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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   7/4/2001 6:32 pm  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (11 of 23)  
 
  99.11 in reply to 99.10  
 
Well Bob your postings don't get my vote for being honest or open. Why must you keep ranting on and on about the goodness of yourself...give it and all of us a rest...please. 
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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/5/2001 2:21 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (12 of 23)  
 
  99.12 in reply to 99.9  
 
>>Bob being true to his Cultic background is hiding the truth of what he thinks about you. Oh rest assured when he gets into his secret rooms and is behind your back he is talking about each of you.<< 
Let me guess, while he's there you reckon he wears a goat skin inc. horns on his head and he sacrifices babies? Isn't that how you people portray the religion you hate most? I know Chick hates wiccans most of all and that's how he portays them, Jannsen portrays Buddhists that way and I reckon you tell everyone that's what Mormons do.


 
  
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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/5/2001 7:20 am  
To:  M_DAuvergne   (13 of 23)  
 
  99.13 in reply to 99.7  
 
I think I'm the most easygoing person here!! 
WHAT?!?? How the HELL can you say THAT. I am the most LAID BACK person here, DAMMIT!! You got that?? ME!!! HOW in the HECK can you even conclude OTHERWISE!!??!! "Easy Going" is my MIDDLE NAME, you UNDERSTAND??? ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!

And don't EVER forget it!!

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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/5/2001 7:24 am  
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  99.14 in reply to 99.13  
 
And mostly to David: 
The previous rant was an example of "just kidding" and "satire" as it is SUPPOSED to be used. Unlike what David claimed he was doing in post #5.






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  From:  M_DAuvergne   7/5/2001 7:34 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 23)  
 
  99.15 in reply to 99.9  
 
Mister David, 
In case you haven't noticed I don't give a darn of what Mr. Baylock says about me behind my back. I am more part of a "cult" than he is and it is even more 'godless', but you don't want to know what it is or what it is about. I don't think that you are exactly "captain silence" to your friends about this board, for all I know, you could have my adress an' everythang. I don't care! I really really don't...but I suppose you were 'just kidding' about this post as well...or that it was 'inspired by god' like your idiot bible. And the homosexual issue, thats another post. I don't agree at all with Bob on that one, but that again is another topic. I couldn't care less about what Bob, you, or really anyone else thinks of me. 



Tu bande en mon presence. 

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  From:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   7/5/2001 9:10 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 23)  
 
  99.16 in reply to 99.9  
 
BTW, since you want to defend Mormonism so much, why dont you ask Bob what he thinks about you, especially the homosexuals. 
What was so objectionable about what he wrote about homos? Here is what he wrote, and I don't see anything really objectionable about it:

We humans can be very strange about our sexuality. I think it is generally agreed, at least among Christians, Jews, and Moslems, that God intended that sexual intimacy should be reserved for the relationship between a man and a woman to whom he is married. But there are many people who, at a biological level, are programmed to seek sexual intimacy in other forms, with homosexuality being one of these forms. Another form that this takes is pedophilia, in which a person seeks sexual intimacy with children. While we may not all agree about homosexuality, I think we will nearly all agree that pedophilia is harmful and destructive, and that it is evil to engage in it. The question I have to ask is whether you believe that pedophiles are  exactly the way [God] wants them to be. If we seek to help pedophiles to overcome their desire for sex with children, and perhaps even to help them to be able to form normal, healthy sexual relationships with a spouse, would this constitute playing God?

This seemed to be a great rationalization of homosexuality from a theist's standpoint, and is one of the better ways that I have seen it written from the position of resolving the conflict between its EXISTENCE and the policies of modern-day christianity. 






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/5/2001 9:51 am  
To:  ))))====ffft!!=====--- ___ @___ (SeaBren)   (17 of 23)  
 
  99.17 in reply to 99.16  
 
Thats what he wrote for Public Consumption. Mormon propaganda! But Not true Mormon Belief. 
Mormon Q&A 
http://members.aol.com/exmormons/exmor.html 

Mormon Church against Homosexual Marriage 
www.studentadvantage.lycos.com/lycos/article/0,4683,c1-i34-t156-a16866,00.html 

Mormon Church Supports Ban on Homosexual Marriages 
Scott Lewis 
Daily Utah Chronicle - U. of Utah , (U-WIRE) 

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints often avoids getting involved in anything political, but when it stepped into the ring to push bans on homosexual marriages, it met strong resistance and loud protests. 

Lost in the political debate between pressure groups, church authorities, legal advisers, and government agencies are the members and followers of the church. Those LDS Church members expressed strong support of their church's political activity, and any disagreements or inner conflicts within their ranks appear nonexistent. 

But, as the director of the University of Utah Hinckley Institute of Politics and former Salt Lake City Mayor Ted Wilson puts it, anytime you get involved in politics you pay a price. It's just a matter of being willing to take it. 

"Whenever there is an issue in society that undermines the moral fiber of that society, we believe it is our prerogative as a church, [which] believes in morality, to make a stand and voice an opinion where it is appropriate," said Ryan Thompson, president of the Latter-day Saints Student Association. 

The LDS Church has voiced its opinion in the past months with its political support of the Knight ballot initiative in California. A "yes" majority vote on the initiative would ban all homosexual marriages in the state, even though existing California laws prohibit any same-sex marriage. 

An estimated 60 percent of University of Utah students are Mormon, and many of them are active in the LDS Church's Salt Lake Institute of Religion and LDSSA. 

"If we can take a measure to prevent same-sex marriages, then yes, I support the church's moves on that," said Thompson. "It's our role as believers in God, who believe in families being divine, to voice our support against it, to protect the family, and the morality in society. 

Thompson added, "it should be up to every member; I mean, we're not robots." 

But Thompson believes LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley is a prophet, and he has faith in Hinckley's decisions. "If he is a true prophet of God, then I believe that what he is doing is correct." 

"This is a law based on doctrine and gospel." 
-- Kari Bodell 

During the recent fall LDS General Conference meetings, about 150 gay and lesbian rights activists stood at the south gates of the LDS temple grounds in a silent protest with signs sounding off against the LDS Church's actions in California. Many conference goers ignored the messages as they filed in and out of the events Sund ay, Oct. 3, but others read the signs and spoke with the protesters. 

The Lesbian and Gay Student Union participated in the protest, and many of the demonstrators were students from the University of Utah. 

"I feel sad for them," said Kari Bodell, a University of Utah student who is a member of the LDS Church, in reference to the protesters. "I think that they are confused." 

Bodell, who is the vice-president of LDSSA, was not speaking on behalf of the organization. 

"It breaks down to this: there are laws based on legal theory and principle, then there are other laws based on doctrine and spiritual principle. This is a law based on doctrine and gospel," Bodell said. 

She said it would be hard for a person within the church to disagree with its political actions in California and around the nation. 

"If they choose to disagree with it, there is a fundamental paradox. They would probably need to take a good look at that and become aware of how the law fits into it." 

According to Bodell, LDS Church members don't always have to agree with the political action of their church because some of the actions may not be based on spiritual doctrines. But on this issue, it's very difficult to think differently, she claims. 

"It is kind of hard to ice skate around the spiritual nature of this law," Bodell said. 

The LDS Church may create some problems as a result of its involvement, according to Wilson. 

"The church traditionally does not like to get involved in politics because it tends to isolate its members and cause division," said Wilson. "I assume they figured it was worth accepting that risk this time." 

According to Wilson, the LDS Church's structure and organization make it unique when it comes to the realm of politics. 

"There is a top-down leadership system which creates a phenomenon where there is a prophet whose speech tremendously affects the way people may act," said Wilson. 

"It may remove members from a more thinking mode to a follower or more emotional mode, where they follow a movement easier, and with more emotion than say a politician who is not as powerful as a church that dispenses what they call truth," he added. 

Despite naysayers, LDS students still strongly support their church's actions. 

"I know it's not viewed as politically correct, but it all comes down to my belief in the family," added Thompson. 

-- 10/12/1999 





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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/5/2001 10:01 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (18 of 23)  
 
  99.18 in reply to 99.17  
 
erhm.... David stop it. First you attack the Mormons for not believing exactly the same as you do and then you try to turn us 'non-believers' against them by claiming that THEY are the unfair ones.

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/5/2001 10:12 am  
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  99.19 in reply to 99.18  
 
Im not attacking the Mormons, because they believe Differently than Christians. I am pointing out that They are Not Christians as they claim to be. 
Many so called groups i.e. crusaders, nazis, kkk, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, are Not Christian. Not in Belief, deeds, practice or in actions. I have every right to point this out! 

If you dont mind being lied to by Mormon propaganda, that is your choice. 






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   From:  Dr_Shock   7/5/2001 10:45 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 23)  
 
  99.20 in reply to 99.9  
 
<<<BTW, since you want to defend Mormonism so much, why don't you ask Bob what he thinks about you, especially the homosexuals. 
Bob being true to his Cultic background is hiding the truth of what he thinks about you. Oh rest assured when he gets into his secret rooms and is behind your back he is talking about each of you.>>> 

I had no idea a coffin could be nailed shut from the inside by its prisoner until you wrote this post. 

And, if you think I care about what Bob says, think again. There are only three people in this world whose opinions I care about. Neither you nor Bob (nor anyone else on the internet) are one of these people. 

Once again, you call Bob a cultist. Welp, how about I clarify things for you once again. According to Webster's Dictionary, the definition for "cult" is: 

1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its 
promulgator <health cults> 
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as 
a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or 
intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by 
such devotion 

Kinda nifty that, according to standard English definition, you're just as much of a cultist as Bob. 

<<<You are upset because Christians at least have the Backbone to be Honest with you and to talk in the open with you about our differences.>>> 

Is this why none of you can even get your stories straight even with one another? Your "honesty" is so severely hindered by your hypocrisy that most of what you post doesn't even stand to reason anymore. You just can't decide what side of the sociological fence you sit on even with the Bible's help. I think this thread more than proves that. 



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From:  Rowan (POTIONS)    7/5/2001 1:20 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (21 of 23)  
 
  99.21 in reply to 99.17  
 
Question??????? 
Has anyone besides me even noticed that David can post all the Mormon links he likes but deletes others who do? Could it be he just wants us to read what he considers to be educational for us? 

Is this hypocracy? 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


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  From:  DW (DeathWish123)   7/17/2001 12:23 pm  
To:  Rowan (POTIONS)   unread  (22 of 23)  
 
  99.22 in reply to 99.21  
 
Yes. And he says Mormans preach propaganda.

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   From:  Dr_Shock   7/17/2001 2:02 pm  
To:  DW (DeathWish123)   (23 of 23)  
 
  99.23 in reply to 99.22  
 
Everyone preaches propaganda in one form or another. Its human nature and cannot be helped. 
Why? Because everyone has their own opinion and the universe has it set up so that no one individual can see the whole picture clearly. Hence why opinions are not fact.


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